What gets me is that I got personal and discussed my situation and why I was selling my site… and this scammer has no problem taking advantage of me. I removed the details of my situation for privacy purposes.

Here’s my discussion with Mr. Gary Crutcher:

Can you accept 5,000 USD?

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It’s very important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies.

Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
http://webtalk.007sites.com/Archive/482751.htm

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we’ll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.
—– Original Message —–
From: “Torrey”
To: “‘Crutcher’”
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:37 PM
Subject: RE: tailoredmaid.com (sent 11/22/2008)

> Mr. Crutcher,
>
> Thank you for your continued response and information. I admit, I am new
> to
> the concept of selling domains and did not realize the added value of
> having
> the domain appraised. I do appreciate the guidance.
>
> I am marketing the site as both the domain and web content. I used MS
> Office Live as the host, which is proprietary in the use of the site.
> However, Melbourne IT is the registrar. MS Office Live has indicated that
> if anyone buys the site and needs to use the web content outside of their
> proprietary hosting, the code can be copied and used by another hosting
> service if they choose not to transfer the site internally. I feel the
> web
> content is a value-added benefit to the domain. If you choose to use it,
> that’s fine. I am including the custom graphics and logos to the
> potential
> buyer and releasing all rights to the new owner. If a buyer only wishes
> to
> buy the domain, that’s fine too.
>
>
> I would need some time to come up with the funds to get a manual
> appraisal.
> This will delay any negotiations, but your honesty with me to base the
> sale
> on the true value of the domain is admirable. (personal discussion removed)
>
> I put a lot of effort in the name “Tailored Maid” and generate a lot of
> interest in the site. I know that with some patience, I will find the
> right
> buyer. Hopefully we can be of benefit to each other.
>
> I recently registered with Escrow.com and feel this is the best method of
> transfer if we reach that point.
>
> Thanks again for your time. I will continue my efforts to get a manual
> appraisal. In the meantime, the offer still stands.
>
> Sincerely,
> Torrey
>
>
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Crutcher [mailto:crutcher@eliteinvestment.net]
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 12:46 AM
> To: Torrey
> Subject: Re: tailoredmaid.com (sent 11/22/2008)
>
> 1500. Ok.
>
> Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?
>
> Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.
>
> Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain
> appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It’s
> very
>
> important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation
> company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from
> independent sources I and my partners trust.
>
> To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal
> companies.
>
> Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
> http://webtalk.007sites.com/Archive/482751.htm
>
> If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking
> price
>
> accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15%
> discount.
>
> After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to
> obtain it) we’ll continue our negotiations.
>
> What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire
> transfer, PayPal.com or something else?
>
> Hope we can come to an agreement fast.
>
> Looking forward to your reply.
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Torrey”
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 11:30 PM
> Subject: RE: tailoredmaid.com (sent 11/22/2008)
>
>
>> Mr. Crutcher,
>>
>> Thank you for your interest. The domain and website content are
>> available
>> for $1,500.00 USD. Please let me know if you have continued interest and
>> if
>> I can answer any questions you may have.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Torrey
>> http://www.tailoredmaid.com
>>
>>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: crutcher@eliteinvestment.net [mailto:crutcher@eliteinvestment.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:35 AM
>> To: removed@tailoredmaid.com
>> Subject: tailoredmaid.com (sent 11/22/2008)
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Your domain name has been found online. Please let us know your price.
>>
>> We are always interested in buying and selling good domains.
>>
>> Looking forward to do business with you.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gary Crutcher
>> Vice President
>> Elite Network
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Liam seemed like a genuine guy and not an internet scamster

I copy and pasted a paragraph from one of too many replies from Elite Network and Bingo! I find this page!

Thank you. What happens when I get a legitimate offer? How will I know.

Was excited there until I read these posts Just got the email today… don’t think I’ll reply… can’t be bothered with morons who try to rip people off. Thanks everyone for the warnings

Hi,

Ok, I do not need a manual valuation, being involved in the web since its birth and working with it for years, I understand the true value of http://www.gloogle.biz, its $6,000.

Please proceed and have a manual valuation if this is what “YOU” require. I have no problem in deducting the costs from the final offer, but I hope the costs are minimal, as the valuation businesses are yours after all.

Kind regards, Damien

It’s a big risk to proceed without professional valuation. I already spoke to industry experts and they prohibited me to do business without valuation..

Without manual valuation nobody will buy. You’ll sit on your domain for years in this case, paying renewal fees to your registrar. Just think about it. So sooner or later, you’ll have to obtain an appraisal. Why waste time now?

As a seller, you can use a valuation certificate to sell names to other buyers. I cannot do the same because I don’t keep control over your domain.

I’m still interested in your domain. Hope you’ll change your position. I simply don’t want to take additional risks.

Thank you for understanding. I’m looking forward to do business with you.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Damien heaton”
To: “‘Crutcher’”
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:11 AM
Subject: RE: Offer for gloogle.biz (sent 11/14/2008)

>I agree totally, welcoming your offer.
>
> Kind regards, Damien
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Crutcher [mailto:crutcher@eliteinvestment.net]
> Sent: 14 November 2008 20:57
> To: Damien heaton
> Subject: Re: Offer for gloogle.biz (sent 11/14/2008)
>
> It’s a standard practice to show independent valuation to
> buyers/resellers.
> Nobody will do business without it. I’m a businessman and have no
> intention
> of changing rules which help both parties to avoid additional risks.
>
> Of course, investors never take into account auto-generated vlauations. So
> manual valuation is a “must” too.
>
> I read the following information about appraisals at:
> http://webtalk.007sites.com/Archive/482751.htm
>
> Thank you for understanding. I’m looking forward to do business with you.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Damien heaton”
> To: “‘Crutcher’”
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:16 PM
> Subject: RE: Offer for gloogle.biz (sent 11/14/2008)
>
>
>> Many thanks for your email.
>>
>> The price included the website and the marketing concept. You are one of
>> a
>> few bidders, it’s the first serious offer I will take.
>>
>> Please advise.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Damien Heaton
>> Gloogle.biz
>>
>>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: Crutcher [mailto:crutcher@eliteinvestment.net]
>> Sent: 14 November 2008 18:59
>> To: Damien Heaton
>> Subject: Re: Offer for gloogle.biz (sent 11/14/2008)
>>
>> 6000. Ok.
>>
>> Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?
>>
>> Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.
>>
>> Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain
>> appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It’s
>> very
>>
>> important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a
>> valuation
>> company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from
>> independent sources I and my partners trust.
>>
>> To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal
>> companies.
>>
>> Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
>> http://webtalk.007sites.com/Archive/482751.htm
>>
>> If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking
>> price
>>
>> accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15%
>> discount.
>>
>> After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to
>> obtain it) we’ll continue our negotiations.
>>
>> What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire
>> transfer, PayPal.com or something else?
>>
>> Hope we can come to an agreement fast.
>>
>> Looking forward to your reply.
>> —– Original Message —–
>> From: “Damien Heaton”
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: Offer for gloogle.biz (sent 11/14/2008)
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I have got a price of $10,000 US, but a reserve of $6,000. So I guess
>> an offer around this range would be acceptable.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Damien Heaton
>> gloogle.biz
>>
>>
>> ——– Original Message ——–
>>
>> ==> From:
>> ==> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:16:43 -0700
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Your domain name has been found online. Please let us know your
>> price.
>>
>> We are always interested in buying and selling good domains.
>>
>> Looking forward to do business with you.
>>
>> Regards, Gary Crutcher Vice President Elite Network

There are many people I know, who just got into business for money and ended up in the losing side, because most of them did not have what you said “passion”.

This page was really helpful. Thanks. Keep posting about these kind of things. Good luck every one with your domain businesses!

Also, I’m surprised you recommend “Add to Any”, but use Sociable. Did you try both and like Sociable more?

Thanks!